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    I am tired of the roller coaster ride. When not depressed life is great then within a month or so I hit bottom again. It stinks. I hate to plan anything because I don't know if it will be during a time of depression. Danny
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    I haven't personally been through this, but have heard of people that have.

    Tommy Nelson, a great pastor, author, teacher went through a long bout with depression and eventually came out on the good end. He went through a complete physical, blood work, etc, etc. (I have heard him tell his story on the radio) and wound up taking some medication for a period of time due to some chemical imbalances in his body.

    There are many who think medicine is not the right answer and you need to just take two verses of scripture and you'll be fine. I think in some cases, people are overmedicated. However, God gave people intelligence to be M.D.s so those of us who aren't can be treated. In addition to daily Bible reading and studying, I'd find a very good internest and have a full physical done, thyroid exam, blood work, etc. and see if there is an organic underlying problem. Discuss with your doctor, get a second opinion (or third, fourth, etc.) and together decide on a course of treatment. I'm not a doctor and can't give medical advice, but, in addition to your Bible time, use your M.D. and together chart your course of treatment.

    It may take a while, but remember, in due season you shall reap if you faint not (paraphrase of Gal 6:9). The point is, God is working in your life through this and you will come out victorious. Just keep your eyes focused on Christ and learn what He wants you to learn as you endure.

    I've already prayed for you and will continue to do so.

    Lord Bless
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      CommentAuthorTribeDad
    • CommentTimeMar 6th 2009
     
    Hi Danny,
    I struggled with suicidal depression for several years, and it culminated in serious contemplation of suicide for about 2 years. The only thing that kept me alive was the Lord's encouragement of how much my wife and children were depending on me. Yours need you too.

    I read lots of books, went to senior pastors, junior pastors, church ministry meetings, men's leaders, dallas-theological-school-graduate-psychologist, deliverance ministries, friends, family, etc. I finally set my sights on Jesus, and believed, like the woman with the issue of blood, that "if I could touch the hem of His garment, that I would be made well". I gave up on everyone and everything but Him. I just performed my basic family duties each day (work, husband, father, pay bills, maintenance, etc) as best I could. Then when I could, I'd get alone and cry out to Jesus; screaming that He's my God and that there's no other. Like blind Bartimaeus, I'd yell, "Jesus, Son of David, have mercy on me!". Over and over. Day after day. Month after month.

    Until one day:

    It was after breakfast on Saturday morning. My family was clearing the table, doing chores, etc. I was still in my robe, and unshowered. I went into my son's room to lay in the floor and cry, pray, and sleep. I was so depressed that I couldn't get off the floor. All I could pray was to just say "Jesus, Jesus" over and over. It was my way of saying "I've got nothing left by you". I drifted in and out of sleep, and was crying and slobbering on the floor. Then I heard Jesus say to my heart "stand up". I stood up, but was so depressed that I couldn't hold myself up, and so I stumbled to the wall. I leaned my head sideways on the wall, still mumbling "Jesus" as my prayer.

    Then I "saw" something like a small, black octopus leave the back of my neck like a bird flying away. At that instant, I was completely and absolutely delivered of depression. I became totally alive, vibrant, awake, invigorated, hopeful, joyful...even happy.

    I stepped out of the room and said to my wife, "it's over". She looked at me with her mouth hanging open and said "what's over". I said "it's all over...the depression...Jesus has delivered me". She says that it looked like I was sort-of glowing.

    That was 1999, and I've never been back to that place for 1 second.

    Go to doctor if you feel led. See a counselor if you feel led. Do whatever you feel led to do.

    But by all means, fix your eyes upon Jesus.

    Jesus is your deliverer brother. Turn into Him, press into Him, and lay hold of Him.

    He will help you "stand up"!
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    That is quite a testimony Tribedad.

    I myself am not a big fan of psychology. While I am not prepared to dismiss it as I don't feel I know enough to be an authority on the subject, it would appear that psychology seeks some of the same result as Christianity, but does so without Jesus, or at least without really needing Jesus. It treats a human being like we are only a physical being. We know however that the most important part of us is spiritual.

    I think that in truth psychology treats the symptoms of mostly spiritual issues. We know for a fact that you can alter your body chemistry and health with your attitude. The mind has the power to make you really sick simply by wrong thinking. I think that so many times the chemical imbalance is the symptom not the cause of the problem. Treating the symptom does nothing to fix the problem and in some cases causes worse problems. This does not even begin to address the issues of spiritual warfare that TribeDad related. We are in a war with an enemy we can't even really see. Who's power we can't even understand, let alone defend against. It is only through the power of our risen Lord and the Holy Spirit working in us that we can triumph.

    God has given us the ability to control our feelings. We do this by controlling our thoughts. Our thoughts drive our feelings. If what we are thinking is true and lines up with God's word, our emotions will follow eventually. God would not have given us the command in His word to "Take captive every thought and make it obedient to Christ" if we had not the ability to do this in His strength.

    An excerpt taken from the New Testament commentaries published by Intervarsity Press.
    {Speaking of World War 2}...It was a massive effort, involving great sacrifices and a tremendous expenditure of resources (Waldrop 1984:42). Paul pictures himself as involved in a similar war effort. In his case, however, the battle is being fought on a spiritual front. And spiritual warfare requires spiritual weaponry, which Paul readily deploys. What distinguishes his weapons from those of the world can be summed up in one word--power (dynatos). The weapons Paul fights with have divine power and, as a result, can accomplish what the world's weapons cannot (demolish stongholds, v. 4). Paul does not identify these weapons here. But they certainly would include "the Holy Spirit," "sincere love," the true message and divine power (6:6-7). He may also have in mind "truth," "righteousness," "the gospel of peace," "faith," "salvation" and "the Spirit," put forward as the Christian's armor in Ephesians 6:13-17.

    Paul's weapons are effective in doing two things. They can, in the first place, demolish strongholds (v. 4). Ochyrwma is a military term for a "fortified place" (Heidland 1967b:590; Malherbe 1983:147). The picture is of an army attacking and tearing down the fortified defenses of the enemy. In the ancient world a prosperous city would build not only a stout wall for its security but also, somewhere inside the wall, a fortified tower that could be defended by relatively few soldiers if the walls of the city were breached by an enemy. Once the stronghold was taken, the battle was over (Carson 1984:47). In ancient times this was commonly accomplished through a variety of siege machines, the most common being battering rams, mobile towers, catapults for throwing darts and the ballistae for throwing stones (Stern 1976). The strongholds that Paul's weapons lay siege to are arguments and every pretension (v. 5). Logismous are reasonings that take shape in the mind and are then worked out in life as action (Heidland 1967a:286; Malherbe 1983:147). Hypsoma epairomenon ("raised ramparts") are human "pretensions" (NIV) or "arrogances" (JB, TEV, REB, NEB, RSV, NRSV) that have built fortresses with high towers aimed at repelling attacks by the knowledge of God (v. 5; Malherbe 1983:147).

    Such efforts, however, are to no avail. For Paul's weapons not only can demolish strongholds (v. 4) but can also take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ (v. 5). The verb aichmalwtizw means "to take a prisoner of war" (Kittel 1964a:195). Paul pictures human thoughts as captured enemy soldiers. Once a city's defenses had been breached and its fortified places destroyed, conquered soldiers were taken in tow as prisoners of war. In the Roman triumphus, the prisoners were paraded through the streets of Rome (see commentary on 2:14-16). Paul's objective, however, is not to put human reasonings and pretensions on public display but to take captive every thought for obedience to Christ (v. 5).
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    If in His wisdom God would have you seek professional help or medical help, by all means do so, but no man on this planet can work in your heart the transformation that Jesus through the Holy Spirit is working. In many cases what we are going through is God trying to get us to lean only on him and release our idols. Or in some cases we suffer from only the wrong thinking that does not rest our hope in the Lord.

    This life here on Earth is very short. We exist only to please and serve God for His glory, and that at his pleasure only. If we lose our focus on that and instead try to spend our energy working to make our lives pleasant and comfortable we will not only fail in this, but we will be quite miserable and empty doing it. The reality of the universe is that we were made for eternity and that focused on God and serving Him. We are yet broken and sick, so we cannot even do that without His help. Why does it surprise us that we have trouble. Did not the Bible tell us that "...in this life you WILL have trouble".
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      CommentAuthorCRBMoA
    • CommentTimeMar 6th 2009
     
    ^^^^^^^^^ +1
    • CommentAuthorDad2-4
    • CommentTimeMar 8th 2009
     
    Danny,

    I'm praying for you.

    The challenge is that depression can be caused by a number of things. It can be spiritual, like it sounds like TribeDad experienced. It can be a problem of perspective and thoughts. It can also be a physical problem. I cannot begin to guess what is causing your problems, but God knows.

    Trust in Christ and pray for strength and guidance. I agree with NP that we need to be careful of many is psychology and psychiatry because there are ones who are trying to make everything physical, ignoring any spiritual reality, and are in fact trying to replace Christ. However, this is not all.

    My only advise from here is to talk to your pastor and maybe other Christians you know to help to find a psychologist or psychiatrist that is a good Christian. Then meet with this individual and find out where they stand. A good solid one can probably help you to find the right diagnosis and therefore the right response. Pray that God will lead you to the right person and the right answer, and never forget that Christ loves you, died for you and will NEVER leave you nor forsake you.
    • CommentAuthorsjjnks
    • CommentTimeMar 9th 2009
     
    Posted By: dannybrownI am tired of the roller coaster ride. When not depressed life is great then within a month or so I hit bottom again. It stinks.


    Me too! I'm kind of going through the same thing right now. Have been for a couple two years or so, I think?

    TribeDad's testimony is encouraging! Thank you, TribeDad. So much of what you said rings true for me as well, though maybe not to the same degree. Like...maybe I haven't been *broken* by it, yet? Like I still have something in me that can help me manage it? Help me fight it? (Read on.)

    Posted By: nuclearpenguinI myself am not a big fan of psychology.


    Me either.

    Therefore, I've been spending a lot of time and energy on seeking the wisdom of good, Christian men. One of my biggest enemies is comfort (or, at least "pain relief"; I don't think I'm alone in this, for what it's worth). When I'm comfortable (and "happy"), things go downhill fast. And then there's the pursuit of pain relief again. This goes on and on. The roller coaster of depression.

    What I'm FAILING to do....what I know in my head but it hasn't made it the twelve inches south to my heart yet...is pursuing Christ and developing my relationship with Him...above all else.

    As others have said, depression is often a secondary symptom. I think this is the case with me, anyway. The root problem is my sinfulness and rebellion toward God. My reluctance to repent. My desire to put myself on the Throne. For me, the shame of my sinfulness (past and present) leads to self-contempt (and depression) but also manifests itself in other-centered contempt and criticism, which keeps me from loving others as God intended (and commanded!) Which fills me with self disgust....and this cycle continues as well.

    I've gained a lot of insight from reading books by [Christian psychologist ;-D ] Dan Allender who speaks to some of the very points brought up by the guys in the above posts. Very valuable stuff. And much value from meeting one on one with a good Christian man....but I still haven't gone to the Man in the Garment for healing yet....still working that out. I'm a work in progress and right there with you. Don't lose hope, Danny.
    • CommentAuthorfilupsd
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
     
    It is an interesting time with so many men in depresion right now which many of us feel are brought on by economic situations. I like many men am not working because of the economy and get depressed because I feel like less of a man because I can't provide "enough" for my family. God has provided many ways to pull me out of the grip of depression, some subtle and some not so subtle. This morning it was my bible study over breakfast with 5 other men from my church. We have been studying David (2 Samuel) and his relationship with God and though we may think it is too familiar a story there is a lot that can be learned from this "Man after God's own heart". Even he suffered and had to call out to God. It was usually when he turned his focus inward. I'm not saying dannybrown is only inwardly focused therefore depressed. But, it is harder to dwell on it when we have our focus on others and God. My 10 year old just walked by singing a song from VBS a couple of years ago. It's to the tune of "Hey now you're an all-star". Changed to "Hey now you're a Christ-star".

    Another thing that helps me is helping others that are worse off than I. We work with a ministry that works to improve peoples economic situations in the 20 poorest rural counties in the U.S. ( www.ruralpoverty.net ). I am reminded that God has blessed me so greatly because I am not alone and with His help I will get through my minor problems that seem so major at the time.

    I have a friend that will ask me one question when I talk to him at my depressed moments. He ask "Is your God big enough to handle this problem?" The answer is of course YES, God is Big enough.
    • CommentAuthormjmjc
    • CommentTimeMar 12th 2009
     
    Posted By: TribeDadHi Danny,


    But by all means, fix your eyes upon Jesus.

    Jesus is your deliverer brother. Turn into Him, press into Him, and lay hold of Him.

    He will help you "stand up"!



    WOW this is . . . WOW!!! TribeDad,

    I believe you were oppressed. Praise GOD for your deliverance! ! !

    As for: jjnks and Danny,

    I will pray you be delivered as well. Please look to HIM!
    • CommentAuthork7
    • CommentTimeMar 19th 2009
     
    Check out the book, "Depression, the way out" - by Dr. Neil Nedley (available for cheap used on www.amazon.com) An excellent, very balanced book outlining lifestyle changes you can make, when and what medical interventions are called for. A Biblical/medical approach.

    He has a dvd seminar available with additional books recommended. www.drnedley.com

    He's a full-time practicing Christian physician in Internal Medicine with emphasis in Cardiology, Gastroenterology, Preventive Medicine, Mental Health, and the difficult-to-diagnose patient. The author of several books. This has helped my wife and a lot of people that we know.
    • CommentAuthorcarrollers
    • CommentTimeAug 27th 2009
     
    I was looking back through some of the discussions, and came across this one. Don't know why I never saw it before, but it has some really good comments.

    Tribedad -- What you had to say really touched me.

    dannybrown -- I pray that you and your family are well.
    • CommentAuthordjlemley
    • CommentTimeAug 29th 2009
     
    Danny,
    I have been praying for you daily, and hope that you are experiencing God's peace. I hope you are still on the forum. How are you doing?
    • CommentAuthorWard
    • CommentTimeJun 16th 2010
     
    One important way to come out of depression (sometimes with the help of medicine) is to agape-love your wife, cherish her and honor her, bless her, focus on HER feelings instead of your own. Much more info is found at: www.BestMarriage.com and www.SaveOurChristianMarriage.com

    Praying for you as you overcome this cycle of depression.