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    • CommentAuthorspilo
    • CommentTimeNov 12th 2008
     
    I just got Todd's invite on facebook for the big buck event, and it got me thinking (well, thinking again anyway) about deer and elk hunting. It's something I'd love to start doing with my son when he's old enough, and maybe get some experience before he joins me. The biggest thing I ever hunted was rainbow trout (yeah, I know).

    So, here it is. I'm looking for advice on getting started as a newbie.

    Thoughts?
    • CommentAuthormjmjc
    • CommentTimeNov 12th 2008
     
    Yeah I have not hunted either and have a son (4). I think this will be a very good thread. I had some thoughts about hunting recently.

    Thanks Spilo for starting this thread.
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    OK, if there are any moms on here (and at times there are) this will probably really freak them out.

    My dad actually started me shooting with a .22 when I was 3. He would line it up on a table/bench/support of some kind, get me lined up behind it, and help me squeeze the trigger. When I was 5 he'd let me walk the woods with him, and I was given my own Daisy Red Rider bb gun. Oh man, I was the new sherrif in town with that thing. When I was 6, he would let me carry a .22 when I accompanied him on hunting trips. When I was 10, I was given my first real gun, a 410 singleshot, at 11 I was given a pump action 20 gauge, at 13 an old Brazilian made side by side dual trigger 12 guage. I still have all of these, but other guns I have bought over the years. I still hunt will all the shotguns given to me as a youngster.

    Those times with my dad were awesome. I remember thinking how cool it was to be out with him, and that just he and I were spending time together. Hunting and fishing were what we did. I played sports, but they weren't his thing and he'd only make one game a season, no matter the sport. He actually got upset once when he had to sit through a double-header baseball game. It just wasn't his thing, and it's a very different generational mind-set than those of us with young kids nowadays have. When I turned 14 or so I quit going with him. I had a job, friends, the trips started including other friends of his and relatives and I just didn't want to be around them.

    A couple of years ago, I was able to walk the woods with my dad again. The first time in about 28 years. Just me and him, alone. We weren't really hunting, although we had our guns (we did get rid of one water moccasin, though. It just had to be done). I can't begin to describe how special it was to be out there again, just me and dad. We haven't done it since. I've got a family and am busy as can be and I guess just haven't made the time to go. I'll have to do that, and soon.

    The point is, even if you haven't started them shooting, when they are 4 or 5 start taking them along on hunting/fishing trips, but consider too the attention span of a child that age. If you are taking them fishing, don't take them on the boat bass fishing since you only get a handful of bites everyday, take them to the local golf course lake and let them catch bluegill/bream by the bucketload. That'll be what hooks them, pun intended. If you take them hunting, sitting in a deer blind in snow and sub-freezing weather probably won't be the most enjoyable of times for them, and you know they won't sit still or be quiet. Take them dove hunting instead. Spend a few bucks to get on a day lease where the birds fly a lot and let them see the action of the hunt. Take them squirrell hunting as there is much more probability of action than deer hunting. Let them have the binoculars to scour the trees looking for the flick of that bushy tail. Also, let them decide when they have had enough and call it a day then. You can go bass fishing/deer hunting on your own later (a real hunt)

    When they are old enough, start training them with a bb/pellet gun. No loud noise, no recoil. Perfect for training and inexpensive to shoot. Once they have progressed and get older, be sure they take a hunter safety course. Most states require this now. Explain why you are hunting and why you kill stuff, and make sure anything you kill winds up in the freezer and eaten. If not, it is a waste of game and implants in their minds that it is OK to kill w/o using the animal. This is senseless and gives many hunters a bad name. In Texas we have a hunters for the hungry program. They take donated white-tail deer, grind the meat into 1 pound packages, and distribute it to needy families through food banks. Hunters pay the processing fee, but get it as a tax deduction. If you have something like this in your state, you can use it to teach your child that you are blessing others with God's supply by providing food for them.

    Remember, kids have short attention spans and aren't as excited/interested as you are so don't force long days with no shots/bites. My little girl loves fishing for bluegill and has gone dove hunting with me and is ready to start learning to shoot. Can't wait to get her out and share special times and create some lifelong memories.

    Have fun
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      CommentAuthorethos2
    • CommentTimeNov 13th 2008
     
    Hi spilo,
    A great place to start is a hunters safety course, we have several large churches in our area that sponsor these courses and it's a great place to first and foremost learn how to handle a gun and learn the laws of your area in regards to hunting, but it also gives you a chance to meet some Christian guys who may have been hunting before and can give you tips and guide you through some of the basics. Many guys in our area take the courses over and over with their kid's or just to help out the newbies as you put it, so check out your area for any churches that may offer this. (It may be to late now, since most hunter safety courses are completed by the middle of Oct or toward the end of Oct at the latest, but you can always check for next year).

    The second thing is depending on your financial situation, we have a lot of first timers that will go on guided hunts their first time, this almost guarantees a Deer or Elk and you have a guide that sets you up with everything, so all you have to do is pay attention to what he's doing and the setup that he puts you in. Guides are often really informative and happy to give you lots of information and again, your almost and in most cases guaranteed a Deer or Elf. A side note on this method however, many hunters frown on this because they believe that there is really no sport in it, because the Deer or Elk are on fenced property in most cases and therefore are forced to stay within the boundaries of the hunting grounds. I have seen a lot of guys do this on their first and second hunts, especially with their kid's and they loved it, because they learned a lot and they got a Deer their first time out.

    Last but not least and this is how I started out, find a guy who hunts all the time and ask if he cares if you go and sit with him on a few hunts. I did this and spent a few days with a guy who really knew his stuff and he helped me learn all I needed to know about hunting and I made a really great friend as well. Most guys as long as they don't sit in a tree blind don't mind the extra company and usually love it, because if they do tag a Deer, they have someone to help them track and pull it back to camp.

    Hope that helps.
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    Best bet for young ones is a savage 22/410 combo. Great gun for plinking or squirrel shooting, but kind of heavy, and hard to find now... Although, if your kids are really little, taking out a paintball gun, would be my method for teaching them proper gun safety, and to practice shooting and walking in the woods looking for varmit.

    I shot a squirrel last season, my first... (I grew up in the city and never hunted). I had a blast going out with my father in law. He showed me how to clean it, and we had it for dinner. fried. It tastes like chicken, but not much meat.

    I even tanned the hide... Its in my workshop right now.
    • CommentAuthorDado7kids
    • CommentTimeNov 16th 2008
     
    I have always wanted to start hunting with my son. He is 15. We have done alot of fishing together but I have never been hunting. I am also a newbie and haven't a clue as to where to start. Ethos2 mentioned starting with a hunters saftey course. My question is, do you need to have your own gun in order to take these courses. And... to get started what kind of gun is good for me to start with? The little I have looked in to it it seems like an expensive sport to jump in to. Any advice?
    • CommentAuthorspilo
    • CommentTimeNov 17th 2008
     
    Dado7:

    From what little reading I've done about getting started, it seems like bird hunting is a decent way. All you need is a shotgun and maybe some cammo clothes (and blaze orange for moving around).

    I was eyeballing either Pheasant or Turkey. I'm leery about shooting a squirrel with a shotgun, and I'm not so sure my family would like eating squirrel :)
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    I was reading this as my son and I would both like to start hunting, but don't know where to start...but Spilo's comment about eating squirrel made me remember a funny story.

    I worked down the hall from a guy that hunted squirrel, which he turned into Squirrel-Jerky (or Squirky as he called it)...he was trying to figure out if he could quit his job and make a full time career of squirrel hunting and the manufacture and sale of Squirky).
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    Hey guys,

    If you are just planning on getting started, I have a couple of suggestions.

    First, before you buy a gun of any kind, contact your state wildlife department, tell them you are interested in learning about hunting, and see what kind of courses they have/require and get what advice you can and who they can put you in touch with.

    Second, contact a local gun range, explain this to them and that you are newbies and see what they can do set you up with a beginners shooting course. Easiest and cheapest way to start is with a .22. There is no recoil, it isn't much lounder than a handclap, and the ammo is cheap. Also, ask someone at the range about a shotgun course. There is a guy in Texas that teaches how to shoot a shotgun, and he does his teaching with a bb gun. Once you learn to shoot a shotgun, go skeet/trap shooting and get used to trying to hit things that are moving. After that you can try bird hunting. Nothing is more frustrating than constantly missing. The more you miss, the more you try to overcompensate and the worse it gets. I just keeps feeding on itself. I've been in the dove field and missed a few then started thinking about my shooting, trying to think when shooting and it only got worse and worse. It's mental at that point.

    If you aren't that much into eating wild game, maybe target shooting is preferable to hunting. Whatever you do, get instruction before you go and, if possible, get a guide to take you the first time or two out. Make it a fun day and enjoy God's creation of the outdoors most.
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      CommentAuthorethos2
    • CommentTimeNov 18th 2008
     
    Hi Dado7Kids,

    Sorry I've been out of it for a few days and didn't get back to see your post asking about the post I did with the Hunters Safety Courses and weather you have to have your own guns or not and what kinds of guns. The Courses that we have in my area are run by many different groups, I only participate with the churches in the area and they always provide guns for those who don't have them. I know many of the schools in our area offer courses and have right on their flyer's that you must bring your own gun. So you would have to check with the group your taking the class with and see what they say. I like churches because they normally are much less formal and bring lots of extra guns for people to use who don't have them, just make sure that by less formal they still are credited to give Safety Courses.

    Just so you know, we started out with BB guns, then graduated to pellet guns and then to Shot Guns and a .30-30, then a .30-06 and have never had anything more powerful then that. A pellet gun or .22 can be used for small game hunting which is where I started and am starting my son who is 9, he mastered the BB gun with safety courses and lots of shooting with dad and grandpa and now he will graduate to the pellet gun and begin his hunting days in the woods behind my dad's house looking for Squirrel's and Rabbits, once he turns about 12, I will begin taking him deer hunting, but he's not near strong enough to gut and pull a deer back to camp yet, of course I can help him, but I want him to be a little stronger before we go out and try to pull down a big ole deer.

    Good Luck!
    • CommentAuthorspilo
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2009 edited
     
    Wow, here's an oldie.

    Here's an update. I've been Pheasant hunting in Oregon. It was a blast and the pheasant was pretty good. I got about 5 or 6 on a game preserve. Now I want to go more! Sadly, economy what it is, not likely anytime soon.

    I had borrowed a .30-.30 for shooting practice but had to return it recently, so I might be looking to find something suitable for elk/deer this fall :)

    Anybody else been out lately?
    • CommentAuthorMarrbar
    • CommentTimeJul 2nd 2009
     
    My 9year old son killed his first deer this past season and it was so awesome. He got a little sick at the sight of the dead deer but I had him get in the truck while I gutted the deer. My dad my brother and another young boy were all hunting with us and when they came and saw the deer and strarted high fiveing my son and telling deer stories you could see my sons countenance changed and he felt so grown up standing around the truck with all the men and knowing he killed a deer and nobody else did that day. That is a day he will never forget and neither will I. The memories of hunting with my dad are some of the best. I hope I am making the same kind of memories for my son.
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    Bringing this one back up. It's August 7th here in the Lone Star State and our hunting seasons start September 1 with dove season. I've got some cooking to do as I still have birds and venison both left in the freezer from last year.

    Anyway, the previous posts on this were about starting hunting. If your seasons start like ours do in the next 3 weeks or so, it is a good time to get the guns out and get some target shooting in to get reaquainted with your weapons and skills.

    It'd be a good time to get the young'uns in a hunter safety course, too. Remember to wear eye and ear protection at the range and in the field. I got peppered real good last year by some guy across the field from me (about 75 yards or so) and it really stung, didn't penetrate the skin, but it left some red welts. Glad I was wearing safety sun glasses, too.

    Hope everyone has a fun hunting season, and that you build memories with your kids. Be sure, though, to take in all of what God has created in nature and just imagine how awesome He is as you enjoy His creation.
    • CommentAuthorspilo
    • CommentTimeJan 10th 2010
     
    So, my younger son climbed onto our dining room table, grabbed a magazine, and headed to the couch to "read" it. (He's 18 mos. old). Check it out. I'm so proud :D

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      CommentAuthorTribeDad
    • CommentTimeJan 10th 2010
     
    Very cute!!
    • CommentAuthordjlemley
    • CommentTimeJan 10th 2010
     
    I agree, very cute. And the outfit that he's wearing kinda looks like camo too!

    Just a thought...is he saying "I wanna be just like you Dad!"?